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I don't really feel qualified to talk about this book, or at least to draw any conclusions about it. (I was hoping that SH's Delany week would include a discussion of this book, so I'd have something to react to/against.) But then it seems apparent that part of the intent here was to write a book that defies conclusions. The question of whether the events of the novel are real even in relation to the reality of the novel--or 1) hallucinations experienced by the protagonist, who has a history of mental illness, 2) a story being written by that protagonist, 3) a complicated metafiction committed by Delany himself, 4) an account, perhaps fictional, being read by the protagonist in a notebook which may have been written by him, in whole or in part, either during or even before his arrival in the city, 5) a recursive time loop/fractal iteration experienced in a location outside of normal time and space, 6) a combination of some or all of the above--makes trying to nail certain things down entirely beside the point. The city has a name, but the protagonist does not. Objects take on symbolic importances which later fall away to reveal banalities, then are reconfigured to take on new meanings. The order of things is confused, and there are acknowledged gaps. And all of this occurs outside of real time, outside of economy, outside of government (though not entirely outside of politics).

Much of what is best about Dhalgren are its conversations--those with Newboy the poet and Harrison the rapist/cult figure, in particular. Delany doesn't take shortcuts with many of his characters, and there are at least two dozen in this book who are fully formed enough to carry their own story. The character of Kidd/the Kid himself is particularly successful: for a self-confessed blank slate, he acquires a surprising amount of personality and forcefulness, and manages to avoid the picaresque trap of making the camera-protagonist less interesting than those he or she interacts with. And for a book that's so cerebral, I was more emotionally engaged than I realized; the last ten-fifteen pages are among the most harrowing I've read.

I didn't love it unreservedly. The opening pages seemed unnecessarily opaque compared to the prose later--although that could be a matter of my becoming accustomed to the style. Maybe I'm a prude, but I'm not sure I understand what some of the sex was aiming at. I found the dynamics of the Kid/Lanya/Denny relationship fascinating; but at times I felt pushed out of the narrative by the choices that were made outside of that triumvirate. This was one area where the force of Kid's personality may have worked against my engagement. He is so rarely vulnerable, and hardly at all with his lovers.

These are small complaints, though, in the larger scheme of things. I wish I'd read this book fifteen or twenty years ago; there were a few moments of mind-blowingness here, but I can only imagine how magnified they would have been when I was younger. A justified classic.

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Date: 2007-12-18 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ludickid.livejournal.com
It's one of my very favorite novels ever, and I'm always glad when someone reads it.

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Date: 2007-12-18 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snurri.livejournal.com
Out of curiosity, how old were you when you read it first?

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Date: 2007-12-18 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ludickid.livejournal.com
Hmm, when I read it for the first time? I think I was probably 25, 26.

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Date: 2007-12-18 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snurri.livejournal.com
Interesting. I'm of two minds on whether I should have read this earlier, because I think it would have been even more over my head in my early twenties than it is now. Which is not to suggest that the same is true for you.

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Date: 2007-12-19 07:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] buymeaclue.livejournal.com
I read it at 17 or 18 and then again at 20. Handled it fine both times; liked it very much.

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Date: 2007-12-19 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snurri.livejournal.com
I didn't know you'd read it. WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME I NEED THIS INFORMATION.

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Date: 2007-12-20 12:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] buymeaclue.livejournal.com
I WILL SEND YOU A COMPLETE DATABASE OF ALL BOOKS THAT I HAVE READ. PLEASE BE PATIENT; PUTTING IT TOGETHER MAY TAKE A DAY OR TWO.

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Date: 2007-12-20 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snurri.livejournal.com
That is acceptable.

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Date: 2007-12-18 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tim-pratt.livejournal.com
I don't really feel qualified to talk about this book, or at least to draw any conclusions about it.

Oh, I dunno, as one of the few people I know who've actually finished the thing, I'd say you're pretty well qualified. Many have tried...

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Date: 2007-12-18 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snurri.livejournal.com
Heh. Actually, once I got past the initial bit, I was hooked. It took a little while, though.

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Date: 2007-12-18 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tim-pratt.livejournal.com
I confess, I always hit a wall very early in that book. Haven't tried it since college, though. Might be time to try again.

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Date: 2007-12-18 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snurri.livejournal.com
It's a real mess-with-your-head kind of book, which is the kind I really like.

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Date: 2007-12-18 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mekkavandexter.livejournal.com
i read it when i was 17 or so, and loved it. Now I'm an old woman, I can't get through it. weird.

also this new LJ ratings thing is driving me INSANE.

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Date: 2007-12-18 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snurri.livejournal.com
I just changed my LJ rating, 'cause this keeps on coming up.

Have you checked your settings to make sure they didn't set your filters by default when they implemented the asinine new policy?

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Date: 2007-12-18 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com
Delany is extremely dyslexic, to the point where he cannot even tell on which side of the platform to wait for a subway train in a city he has lived in, on and off, for over fifty years.

Re: Helpful Hint

Date: 2007-12-18 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snurri.livejournal.com
Heh. Interesting; I did note that the book's Wikipedia entry mentions persistent typoes/misprints/editorial errors, some of which apparently still haven't been fixed in the edition I have. I noticed a few minor ones, but the implication was that some of them could change the meaning of certain passages. Which, really, just kind of adds to the mystique.

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